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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hello Richard Stefan it's good to be

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here again this is it's almost a

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timeless thing this look like a zone yes

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we're in a zone we're in a zone that

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never ends in fact time stands still

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here it does we could swiger sit here

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talking forever why don't we and nothing

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would change that's good to have you

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here Richard it's great to be back the

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zone thank you i think we could talk

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forever but we better actually do a show

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I think we assured yes we were so into

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being in the zone that we kind of get

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locked into the zone and everything

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falls apart but we're going to keep it

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rolling what's up for the week oh what a

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week it's been this is episode number 33

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for the fifth of june by the way and

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those people in northern hemisphere

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summers coming oh is it it's pretty old

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down it under actually is there's a bit

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nippy today didn't iffy yeah but we we

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had a big week oh did we have a big week

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we went to Melbourne all the Melbourne

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talks held me folks Sydney talk to

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Melanie talk to know how sorry I because

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dr. rachey and myself and Dave the happy

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singer and Kylie stood just from Perth

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yeah oh I hit Melbourne at the same time

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and we've got a big report about that

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coming up excellent size up quite a few

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people turned out and yeah big event the

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room was packed out all our friends were

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there we had great nights at the pub

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before and after yes Oh Melvin's a party

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town is yeah like Sydney look like

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tamworth the Tusk actually Terrance a

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party town it can't be judging using

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time in community time is that reports

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coming up and in future episodes will

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have some little snippets from the

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actual talks we gave this is sort of

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of stuff yeah and a bit of a report okay

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great and didn't you bump into someone

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else just recently to is that a bit of

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hush hush last night yet a bit we get to

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you oh yeah and in fact let's bring him

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next week showed very quickly last night

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at Sydney skeptics in the pub our guest

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speaker was Dick Smith v dicks need the

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famous dick smith who created dick smith

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electronics Australian Geographic dick

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smith foods and also a founder of

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Australian skeptics oh my goodness here

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he is an absolute legend so there'll be

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next week in fact so jump ahead a little

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bit next week we'll be talking we'll be

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hearing his talk yep because of course

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he's such a big legend that you can't

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just publish at the S has to go through

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clear it clear everything I care that's

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good but after in today show after the

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Melbourne report we've got a grain of

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salt with Iran sigep looking at his

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talks with the naturopath oh all that

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does it get heated we'll find it Oh fine

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we'll find out that's followed by dr. r

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IG reports and the think tank back again

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hole wet was awesome and it was a while

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ago too busy I know keep giving clients

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harassing me for things and if anyone

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out there knows how to get rid of

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clients please email the skeptic zone

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Stefan at the skeptics on TV how to get

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a well-paid business that has no clients

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no please if anyone can tell me I need

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help you certainly do I know what I know

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what the cure to your problem is at

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least for the next hour sit back and

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enjoy the skeptics I will do that

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Richard let's go let's get right into a

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the event was called Sydney talks to

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Melbourne skeptical talks by members of

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the skeptic zone for a Melbourne

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audience myself dr. H E and Dave the

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happy singer flew down from Sydney and

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Kylie Sturgis flew all the way over from

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Melbourne Airport was Kylie Sturgis my

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and I'm talking to you from the luggage

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jumping up and down hello Pauline

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here's all short yes it is Oh part you

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see it looks like here we are in

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Melbourne we are indeed oh my god it's

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really lucky in fact my suitcase was the

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first one out so i'm all ready to go see

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your baby I've got my bag now we just

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friend dr. Steve Roberts came to pick us

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up from the airport and we made our way

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arrived at the home of Steve Roberts and

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Kylie what are you doing I am tormenting

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tail it's a drastic like in raw rubber

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Melbourne where we were to meet for the

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first time the young Australian skeptics

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we walked along to the elephant and

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bourke street melbourne Kylie and Steve

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and I are walking along it's on the six

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every single track that goes casters

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so this is very exciting we're off to

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meet the young Australians get this we

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are indeed looking for job in fact

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anyone looks like Jack I'm hoping we

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might bump into them on the way there's

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another trend goes past us now I wanna

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this a lot of digging here well I think

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have a mini think tank so here we go i'm

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here with Kylie Sturgis hello Carly how

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I Richard lovely to see you thank you

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yes in person yeah yeah bout time and

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i'm here with steve roberts hello Steve

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Melbourne thank you Steve you're welcome

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to it too it's really crazy and you may

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being pushed now other people I child

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can cheers everybody are we actually

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want to do time he means you don't know

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you can see if you like I don't know

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what you've never done a podcast before

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like now in Melbourne tell me please ah

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atheists rationalists so there's lots of

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a skeptic what would we do yeah I know

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it all agree with each other meet happy

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that laughs at every other city

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that that's racist no you know what

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isolated city it was one of the most

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isolated major cities in the world that

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scandalous thing where people hurt the

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skeptics what reaction have you had now

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you're only knew because you're young

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you see you young Australian skeptic

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okay how long how long has it been now

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youngest Rowan skeptics of six months

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actually pretty much yeah six on the

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guideline it deflected ends up well

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from time to time when us both people

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Sweden who donated like quite a bit of

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money that's really cool that's really

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cool is really random I just didn't

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expect yeah yeah I get that too every

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now and then you get an email from some

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corner of the world saying thank you

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very much we really enjoy the show and

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all the rest of us really gratifying

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yeah they're really it really helps the

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morale and encourages it continue to do

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better I guess and I don't lie to reply

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to every email and yeah yeah in fact I'd

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reply to every email i get so even at is

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to say bugger off I don't know I just um

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you get people riding in with the

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believers saying how why are you

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skipping saying this that or the other

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are only on the blog never to the email

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we never to this podcast I don't think

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we have enough exposure yet there was

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some some fundamentals in disguise oh

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you had the other person I moderated the

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post but it was just like some comments

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that were just irrelevant and stupid

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that I uh knew that there was no trying

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to greet us like

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traffic outside of the hay now ya hear

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they i think that i found a swinger

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action they'll never take us alive we're

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gonna barricade oh so save your chips

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okay yes I'm sorry actually they um yeah

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they came onto the blog and I knew the

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now trying to grieve because they picked

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out one little thing that I said and

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really just had a go at me for it

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because I was like yeah well it was like

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a sort of a relevant comment it wasn't

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really making an argument and it deleted

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it because yet he has it was a comment

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saying I'm space to be they nope yeah

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there's a comment saying thank you

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Richard you understand and I was like

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that doesn't help that doesn't have

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anything to do with the discussion of

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the post and they it's Dave the happy

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singer I saw your twitter another she's

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coming there to you sorry to interrupt

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you there it's fine it's all so much

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excitement um yeah so basically i

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believe the post because it was stupid

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and didn't make any sense and it was

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just like I knew they were just trying

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to give me grief but that made it worse

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because yeah like all you're stifling

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free speech you didn't get in conform to

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your ideology so you you delete it and

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it was no ideology and that you just

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said thank you Richard you understand

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something Richard we have Richard Hughes

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on the other oh I see yeah and I think

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they made us leave poor people showed up

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in the started saying things like I'm

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not gonna take part in this blog I

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checked that I Pia the been to the site

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once so

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alright I just got a text message come

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in then it's from dr. agee who's on her

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Dave's a happy see come over here for

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one second he's just a forgetting he's

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just ordering a beer that's my that's my

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encounters with you to fundamentalist

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then he's gone and he's back hey night

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good to see he's happy he's happy hello

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oh hi hi now a big announcement to make

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everybody Dave the happy singer is the

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latest member of the skeptic zone

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official yeah he's going to be doing a

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coochie-coochie-coo come out and we'll

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get back to drinking leading shall we

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indeed cheers everybody cheers I caught

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up with dr. H E a bit later on that

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well I'm here with dr. rate you are

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enjoying the night here the unrestrained

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skeptics in the evenings going very well

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the Ferengi it's going very well Richard

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and I have to say it's really weird

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because we're making all these people

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that we talked two numbers on the

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internet and tweeted with and they're

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all here in their wheel but you can't

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want to point out Jack's kalyan because

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I originally thought he was from a

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seventeen-year-old anthropology

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professor in disguise but he is real

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he is actually a student and he is Robin

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people skeptics are all dry crusty

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people who sit at home and never have

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well at last the big night came along

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Saturday night the 30th of May we turned

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up at the lecture theatre and before the

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talk started I bumped into a few people

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in the lobby it's very exciting it's

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Sydney talks to know when people are

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coming in there for years almost full

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Carly's here hello Kylie hello Richard I

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am selling badges and DVDs and biggest

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ass earrings and if I really well it's

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been tough thank you and I just bumped

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into a Chris you listen to the podcast

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hello Chris hello really great to see

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you here thanks for coming along that's

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all right it's good to see ya thank you

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and you've been saying you've been

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listening to the zone for a while now

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yes and the skeptic tank as well oh the

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old days you yeah I prefer the new the

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theme song our skeptic sign yes yes

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that's a Stefan wrote that of course ok

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he seems it to a lot of people didn't

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realize that he's the singer sorry

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catchy i get it stuck in my head

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sometimes it's my ringtone actually said

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well i'm really pleased you could come

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along Kristen I hope you enjoy the night

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I thanks thankfully then it was time for

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us to give our talks I gave my talk

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entitled skepticism 101 we heard a few

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songs from Dave the happy singer and

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then Rachel Dunlop gave her talk dr.

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Richie reports after the talks were over

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we all went round the corner to the

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local beer garden I took the opportunity

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to make a small recording for our good

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friend George shrub

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hi George we're here have you done the

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beer garden after we get through gave

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our talks of the region on myself Dave

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the happiest thing is saying your song

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tonight the far theme Dave that was a

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great rendition of farm thank you very

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much i love everything they're doing

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with the international year of astronomy

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and yeah i think a 365 days with strong

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to be podcast fabulous it is and it's a

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great song I wish I'd written it and

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meet you yeah they do you write from

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Georgia now you're a brother he do they

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got they got somebody good in for that

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one but if anybody's doing 365 days of

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nonsense room six five days of complete

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and utter rubbish I rather think you for

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us alright thanks page it's a really fun

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night George and you got a lot of fans

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styrofoam no that's not it is it

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we have flour references tonight we did

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George we wish you were here maybe we

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see you soon boo I'll be seeing you at

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tam anyway I'm Carly's wearing a PFA

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shirt exhausted we went to bed little

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did I know that the next morning I would

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get a rude awakening oh no I'm among the

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video now there's no rest for the

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skipper you see you can't see I was just

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about she's done in together listen all

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I was trying to do all I was trying to

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do was get a nice morning rest after the

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night last night stalks and what happens

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i guess Carly and Rachel coming in

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computers and they're buzzing around

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emailing and chatting and catching up

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with the news here am i all i want to do

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is have another little sleep but now

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Richard you're gonna need a lot more

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sleep in order to catch up on the beauty

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sleep you need Thank You Kylie where's

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the where's the cat the cat was in him

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aphorism and the cash yes yes I had the

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lot yeah so this is the life of

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traveling skeptics everybody if you're

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interested in skepticism and you you're

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also interested in sleeping in forget

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about it when are we going to know we

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need coffee riches I know we need coffee

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we're about to walk out and get some

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coffee and I think I can hear Steve Rob

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each other good morning stood was it you

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or not we're not quite at we're not all

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up and we're not all there I didn't

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think it was a good night but oh so

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you're only going yeah yeah and so it

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was all over Sydney talks to Melbourne a

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huge success thank you to the

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Yellowstone skeptics for your hard work

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and making this all happen let's do it

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again soon hi I'm Alice at eight posted

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Jack Scanlon hey rush and myself to hear

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what our generation have to say about

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crackery science and the issues they

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concern us subscribe to our podcast

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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he's around ticket hello this is a ranch

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agav taking life with a grain of salt

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some time ago I found a flyer in my

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mailbox which peaked my interest it was

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from a store called pure botanicals

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holistic health care holistic was

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spelled with the w but that was probably

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the best thing about the flyer I have it

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in front of me on one side there is a

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list of health care modalities offered

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by the store which I will get to in a

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moment followed by the properties of

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their skincare range just for fun here

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is what their skincare range is its

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handmade all natural ingredients no

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animal products or testing I think they

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really should have said no animal

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products and no testing but perhaps I'm

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being too cynical no synthetic chemicals

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preservatives stabilizer Colorado

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additives contains medical extracts

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nutrients vitamins and essential oils

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designed and manufactured by naturopaths

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I think this list speaks for itself so

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I'll turn over the flower and look at

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their price list which covers the

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treatment treatment modalities mentioned

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overleaf treatments range from half an

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hour to one and a half hours with half

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hourly rates between 35 and 45 dollars

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that's seventy to ninety dollars per

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hour which will explain a lot later on

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the list of modalities includes the

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following naturopathy homeopathy massage

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therapies acupuncture hypnotherapy tarot

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readings psychic readings by the way I'm

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not making this up I'm still reading

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from the list printed on a flyer for a

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healthcare shop energetic healing and

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Reiki for the sake of this talk I'll

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ignore hypnotherapy tarot readings and

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psychic readings as I want to focus on

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the physical health side of the matter

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rather than on the event

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nevermind of the remaining modalities

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energetic healing and Reiki are very

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similar to each other an acupuncture has

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it the same basic philosophy as to the

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cause of illness albeit with a very

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different approach to treatment of

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course not that it matters as chakras in

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chi are both imaginary and despite all

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attempts so far there is not a shred of

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credible evidence that any of those

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three work better than placebo massage

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therapies do work of course and there is

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nothing alternative about them except

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perhaps the idea of choosing a masseur

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masseuse or the most likely to cause

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harm through their ignorance this leaves

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us with naturopathy in Omni Appa thei I

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must admit that seeing those two right

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next to each other at the top of the

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00:25:52,570 --> 00:25:50,670
page is what I find most interesting the

538
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,580
main reason is the contrast between them

539
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:55,740
by definition naturopathic remedies are

540
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:57,510
largely based on plant extracts and

541
00:26:01,520 --> 00:25:59,010
other chemicals derived from natural

542
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:01,530
sources though the practitioners will

543
00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:03,510
not usually use the word chemicals as I

544
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:05,430
just did because to them it's a

545
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,130
pejorative from your pathak remedies on

546
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,960
the other hand are based on diluting

547
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,760
chemicals in water until there is not a

548
00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:14,880
single molecule left moreover the

549
00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:16,920
foundational principle of my Appa 'they

550
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:20,280
is like yours like hence diluted coffee

551
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:23,940
cures insomnia for example so as can

552
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:26,460
easily be seen these two modalities do

553
00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:28,890
not just differ in how they treat their

554
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,750
basic philosophies contradict each other

555
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,340
to the point where you would think that

556
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,260
only Alice could believe in both at the

557
00:26:39,650 --> 00:26:37,200
same time unfortunately that is not the

558
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,660
case and mail many alternative medicine

559
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,720
practitioners dabble in both looking at

560
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,700
the list I mentioned earlier I can't

561
00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:46,620
help suspect that they're trying to beat

562
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:48,270
Alice's record of believing six

563
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,210
impossible things before breakfast

564
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:52,740
perhaps the name complementary medicine

565
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:54,690
should be changed to contradictory

566
00:27:00,530 --> 00:26:58,020
medicine since this is so hard for me to

567
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,540
comprehend I decided to find out a bit

568
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:02,400
more about the thought processes of a

569
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:04,770
practitioner and called pure botanicals

570
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,750
I told the lady who answered the phone

571
00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:08,580
that I wanted to understand what they

572
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:10,800
could do and asked for information about

573
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:13,350
naturopathy in homeopathy she was very

574
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:15,270
polite and gave me a lot of information

575
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:17,890
I tried not to ask leading questions

576
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:19,690
and attempted to act as if I really knew

577
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:21,130
nothing about these two forms of

578
00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:23,860
quackery what follows is a summary of

579
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:26,680
the main points of the discussion let's

580
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:29,290
start with naturopathy neuropathy

581
00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:31,450
focuses on your past state of health and

582
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:33,460
current state of health as well as

583
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:36,010
family history lifestyle and other

584
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,570
factors affecting your life she

585
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:40,240
explained I must admit it sounded quite

586
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:43,150
reasonable in fact that's what a good GP

587
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:45,850
should be doing but I wanted to know how

588
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:49,090
naturopathic treatments work she said

589
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:51,310
that their plant extracts bush park and

590
00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:53,860
other natural materials and they helped

591
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,240
restore the body to a state of

592
00:28:00,540 --> 00:27:57,760
equilibrium I asked if it's the

593
00:28:01,890 --> 00:28:00,550
chemicals in the extracts that do it she

594
00:28:04,550 --> 00:28:01,900
must have been a little bit offended by

595
00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:04,560
my use of the c-word that's chemicals

596
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:07,270
because she was quick to explain that

597
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:09,550
it's the vibrational essences that do it

598
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:11,920
I did not pursue this line of

599
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:14,110
questioning any further as I felt that

600
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:16,150
my vibrational energy was starting to

601
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:20,590
rise I then asked about homeopathy she

602
00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:22,210
gave a fairly accurate description of

603
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:24,940
the dilution Circassian process stating

604
00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:26,230
that homeopathic remedies are

605
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:28,360
vibrational just like naturopathic ones

606
00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:31,150
it works because your body vibrates and

607
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,400
if there is a remedy which vibrates in a

608
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,200
way that matches your body's vibrational

609
00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:38,200
energy then it cures you I asked what

610
00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:39,580
happens if it doesn't match my

611
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:42,280
vibrational energies it turns out it

612
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:45,720
just does nothing how very convenient I

613
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:48,570
then went back to the dilution process

614
00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:51,190
if there are no molecules of the remedy

615
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:54,760
left how does it work she explained that

616
00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:57,130
the circassian process transfers the

617
00:29:01,920 --> 00:28:59,080
vibrational energy of the substance to

618
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:01,930
the water yes I know I was tired of

619
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:03,700
hearing about vibrations by that stage

620
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:07,270
two okay so you have one treatment that

621
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:09,070
is based on giving the patient actual

622
00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:11,590
substances and another that is based on

623
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:13,560
diluting the substance out of existence

624
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:17,230
don't they contradict each other oh no

625
00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:19,570
not at all she said homeopathy is very

626
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:21,640
immature of pathak and that's precisely

627
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:23,490
what she said I'm not making this up

628
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:26,470
it's very holistic just like naturopathy

629
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:28,390
it comes from a totally different

630
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:30,580
perspective but both look at the big

631
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:31,570
picture from all

632
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:35,050
angles I thought I'd heard enough so I

633
00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:36,700
asked her about a medical condition I

634
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,280
said I had digestion problems and pain

635
00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:41,440
in my lower abdomen and asked what she

636
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:44,020
would recommend she was emphatically in

637
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:46,840
favor of naturopathy homeopathy is more

638
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:49,660
for things like allergies she said so I

639
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:51,130
asked her what she would recommend for

640
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,190
cancer she had no hit no hesitation in

641
00:29:59,100 --> 00:29:56,590
recommending nutritional changes coupled

642
00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:59,110
with naturopathy for the cancer and on

643
00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:00,690
my Appa thief or some of the symptoms

644
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:03,640
that was enough for me and I thanked her

645
00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:06,700
for time and hung up I then thought to

646
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:09,550
myself about the lady i spoke to with

647
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:10,930
very little meaningful training

648
00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:13,180
essentially no knowledge whatsoever in

649
00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:15,820
relevant fields no accountability and

650
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:18,400
probably equip mostly with a high level

651
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:20,800
of gullibility she has been able to not

652
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:22,780
only become important by healing people

653
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:25,150
she also makes eighty dollars an hour in

654
00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:27,580
the process I don't think there is any

655
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:29,680
hope that she would ever admit that what

656
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:32,260
she is peddling his bunk she's also

657
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:34,030
probably not dissimilar to alternative

658
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:37,000
medicine practitioners everywhere the

659
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:38,740
implication is that while it is possible

660
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:41,110
to help fight this societal ailment by

661
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:43,150
educating the public there will always

662
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:45,160
be enough of these quacks to cause harm

663
00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:47,830
unless the government intervenes as a

664
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:50,020
minimum by treating it as a consumer

665
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:53,080
affairs issue I would take any

666
00:31:05,170 --> 00:30:54,940
suggestion that this might happen with a

667
00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:07,660
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669
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681
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welcome to dr. Reggie reports have you

682
00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:52,010
ever heard of radionics well neither had

683
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:53,960
I until yesterday when Ben Goldacre

684
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,390
tweeted to a story which appeared in the

685
00:32:01,630 --> 00:31:59,600
UK Telegraph newspaper now this

686
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:01,640
immediately caught my attention since it

687
00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:04,100
involved diagnosing illnesses using hair

688
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:06,860
unless this miracle that I have talked

689
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:09,260
about hair analysis for the diagnosis of

690
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:11,570
allergies previously and you can find

691
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:13,430
more information about this on both the

692
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:16,930
Zoners blog and skeptics book com

693
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:19,730
however radionics is much more than just

694
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:21,650
sticking a piece of hair in a beaker and

695
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:24,580
making lights flash and dials flicker

696
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:27,080
radionics is described by The Telegraph

697
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:30,620
as quote the largely unexplained art of

698
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:32,300
healing someone you've never met who is

699
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:35,500
hundreds even thousands of miles away

700
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:38,690
sounds suspicious already but before you

701
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:40,490
go and write this off in the realms of

702
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,580
but candles there is the UK radionics

703
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:45,200
Association which represents

704
00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:47,750
approximately 80 practitioners across

705
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:50,120
the UK and produces the quarterly

706
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:53,720
radionics journal on their website they

707
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,050
give information about how radionic

708
00:33:01,810 --> 00:32:58,640
practitioners can diagnose illnesses

709
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:01,820
from a patient sample hence hair from a

710
00:33:08,050 --> 00:33:04,760
distance which practitioners described

711
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:08,060
as quote a challenging concept but one

712
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:10,220
that is entirely compatible with modern

713
00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:13,550
physics however the concept of

714
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:15,680
modern-day radionics involves holding a

715
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:18,710
pendulum over the hair sample or as the

716
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:19,040
pract

717
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:22,070
refers to it the weakness and using the

718
00:33:26,410 --> 00:33:24,470
technique of dowsing which we are

719
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:26,420
familiar with in terms of water dowsing

720
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:28,760
to get information about the state of

721
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:32,090
the patient's health the practitioners

722
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:34,130
say we get the information by

723
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:36,410
interrogating the witness that is the

724
00:33:41,470 --> 00:33:39,320
hair they say i will ask question after

725
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:41,480
question some looking for a yes or no

726
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:43,610
answer some looking for an answer that

727
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:45,740
will qualify the health or otherwise of

728
00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:47,530
the patient's various physiological

729
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:51,320
systems so as well as rotating in a

730
00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:54,310
clockwise direction for yes and

731
00:34:01,030 --> 00:33:57,860
anti-clockwise for no the pendulum also

732
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:01,040
gives out a score out of 100 when placed

733
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:05,240
over a sort of health omerta chart many

734
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:07,970
practitioners in holistic health employ

735
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,000
radionics to identify and rectify the

736
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:12,800
subtle energy imbalances that are

737
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:14,870
associated with diseases in the physical

738
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:18,590
body radionics shares the same energetic

739
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:20,900
worldview recognized by acupuncturists

740
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:24,400
homeopathy and Reiki practitioners and

741
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:27,410
according to some websites radionics is

742
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:29,169
especially compatible with homeopathy

743
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:31,910
because radionic instruments can be used

744
00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:36,440
to make homeopathic potencies also of

745
00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:38,630
interest is that agriculturalists and

746
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:41,390
animal nutritionists use radionics to

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:43,820
pinpoint nutrient imbalances in plants

748
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:46,490
and animals and it can also be used to

749
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:49,130
select the optimal feeds fertilizers and

750
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:52,900
supplements to rectify the imbalances

751
00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:55,940
geologists also use radionic techniques

752
00:35:02,290 --> 00:34:58,310
to analyze all specimens or to locate

753
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:02,300
mineral veins so what is the history of

754
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:04,340
radionics while it was founded by dr.

755
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:09,980
albert abrams who was born in 1863 under

756
00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:12,680
the original name of ARA or electronic

757
00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:15,350
reactions of Abraham's and Abraham's

758
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:17,060
believed that diseased body tissue

759
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:19,070
affected the nervous system and gave

760
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:22,700
forth dull emanations he believed that

761
00:35:26,890 --> 00:35:24,830
electronic phenomenon were involved with

762
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,900
this and so he invented a variable

763
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,880
resistance instrument which he called a

764
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:31,760
black box to measure the ohm resistance

765
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:32,510
of different

766
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:35,510
diseases on an electronic circuit he

767
00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:37,490
found for example that cancer produced a

768
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:40,340
50 ohm resistance while syphilis had a

769
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,600
50 50 ohm resistance Abrams later

770
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:46,400
modified his technique so he could take

771
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:48,710
readings from a drop of blood and in

772
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:51,140
1924 a committee established by the

773
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:53,960
Royal Society of Medicine investigated

774
00:36:00,160 --> 00:35:56,330
Abrams techniques and were favorably

775
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:00,170
impressed today radionics and its cousin

776
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:03,140
radio seizure or medical dowsing are

777
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:05,510
recognized in Europe as legitimate

778
00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:09,260
medical practices however the commercial

779
00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:11,240
practice of radionics is banned in the

780
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:14,360
United States and one website i came

781
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:15,950
across had this to offer as an

782
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:20,690
explanation for why number one it works

783
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:23,120
but not in a way totally understood

784
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:25,490
either by the academic community or by

785
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:29,180
the practitioners themselves and to it

786
00:36:35,350 --> 00:36:32,090
works and produces miracle cures in man

787
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:35,360
plants animals and out dates existing

788
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:39,110
sciences if it is understood therefore

789
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:42,040
their lobbies in quotation marks in

790
00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:44,390
Washington representing the commercial

791
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:47,480
applications of existing sciences force

792
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:49,580
laws against radionics to preserve

793
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:52,310
existing sciences and the large sums of

794
00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:54,830
money invested in them to create our

795
00:36:59,470 --> 00:36:57,380
present technology and to preserve the

796
00:37:01,660 --> 00:36:59,480
jobs of millions which might be lost if

797
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:01,670
indeed radionics was used to achieve the

798
00:37:09,550 --> 00:37:05,300
same results so there we go once again

799
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:09,560
the big farmer rears his ugly head so

800
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,420
according to another radionics website

801
00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:14,960
quote diagnosis by dowsing requires the

802
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:16,550
use and interplay of both the

803
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:19,120
intellectual and the intuitive faculties

804
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:21,770
the intellect and the concrete knowledge

805
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:23,600
which supports it I used to frame

806
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:25,400
questions relevant to the correct

807
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:27,160
understanding of the problem and

808
00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:29,540
obtaining answers via the pendulum

809
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:31,820
however requires a suspension of the

810
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:34,340
intellectual process and an activation

811
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:38,600
of the higher intuition so listeners how

812
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:40,450
can you become a radionic practitioner

813
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:43,310
well the radionic Association offers

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00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:45,800
six-month courses which includes to

815
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:46,220
study

816
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:48,950
weekends and other tutorials and once

817
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:51,380
you've completed this the course you can

818
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:56,000
use the title of em ra da also once

819
00:38:01,060 --> 00:37:58,460
qualified you can treat animals soil and

820
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:01,070
crops and there are postgraduate courses

821
00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:02,740
available for animal treatment

822
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:05,000
interestingly the website of the

823
00:38:09,609 --> 00:38:07,670
radionics Association specifies that you

824
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:09,619
must be able to douse before you can

825
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:12,170
take the course in radionics and I'll

826
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:14,750
leave the final word with a quote that I

827
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,890
found on a radionics website researchers

828
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:20,960
and practitioners estimate that at least

829
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:22,970
eighty percent or better of the

830
00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:25,550
population have the innate ability to do

831
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:28,550
radionics and dowsing work people who

832
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:30,170
cannot do this sort of work are

833
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:31,550
generally those who have suffered

834
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:33,700
certain kinds of neurological damage

835
00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:36,530
severe mental or emotional disorders

836
00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:39,740
have drug or alcohol problems or have

837
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:41,780
established a mental block against

838
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:44,510
radionics dowsing and they alternative

839
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:48,140
reality they represent doesn't sound

840
00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:51,170
like good news for us skeptics and now

841
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:54,080
on to homeopathy today in Sydney the

842
00:38:57,790 --> 00:38:55,640
verdict was handed down in the case

843
00:39:00,070 --> 00:38:57,800
against parents his nine-month-old baby

844
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,080
girl died of septicaemia as a result of

845
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:03,200
untreated eczema the child was born with

846
00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:04,730
ex martin spent half of her short

847
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:06,830
9-month life with the painful skin

848
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,500
condition yet her parents one of whom is

849
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:11,480
a homeopath shunned conventional

850
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:13,130
medicine to treat her with a variety of

851
00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:16,760
homeopathic drops the infant died in

852
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:18,460
Sydney Children's Hospital on may eight

853
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:21,710
2002 and today in a Sydney court her

854
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:23,210
parents were charged with manslaughter

855
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:26,089
by gross criminal negligence for failing

856
00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:28,150
to get her proper medical attention a

857
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:30,020
report from the Sydney Morning Herald

858
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:32,900
states that the court heard the couple

859
00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:35,240
took the child Gloria to various health

860
00:39:39,579 --> 00:39:37,940
professionals but while they abandoned

861
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:39,589
each conventional medication she was

862
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:41,210
prescribed within a short time of

863
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:43,130
starting it they solidly pursued

864
00:39:49,089 --> 00:39:47,660
homeopathic remedies by the time she

865
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,099
died she was the weight of an average

866
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:51,440
three month old her body was covered

867
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:53,570
with angry blotches and her once black

868
00:39:58,089 --> 00:39:55,990
hair had turned completely white a

869
00:39:59,859 --> 00:39:58,099
general practitioner books them an

870
00:40:01,839 --> 00:39:59,869
appointment with a dermatologist

871
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:01,849
they did not attend because they took

872
00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:03,950
the child to India instead to attend a

873
00:40:08,799 --> 00:40:07,160
wedding ironically whilst in the country

874
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:08,809
the mother developed painful kidney

875
00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:10,819
stones and visited hospital for her own

876
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:14,329
treatment the couple also visited two

877
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:16,549
doctors in India with their child but

878
00:40:21,249 --> 00:40:18,680
discarded the advice of one to return to

879
00:40:23,799 --> 00:40:21,259
him every second day instead consulting

880
00:40:25,059 --> 00:40:23,809
a succession of homeopaths including the

881
00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:25,069
father's brother who had recently

882
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:28,359
competed completed his thesis on X month

883
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,130
upon returning to Australia on a flight

884
00:40:35,259 --> 00:40:33,680
fellow passengers reported that the girl

885
00:40:38,499 --> 00:40:35,269
cried for the entire journey and

886
00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:38,509
described the crying as quote a painful

887
00:40:44,049 --> 00:40:40,999
scream not whinging hungry screaming and

888
00:40:46,769 --> 00:40:44,059
said the baby was very distressed and

889
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:46,779
crying a lot in a way that concerned us

890
00:40:50,859 --> 00:40:49,220
upon returning from India the parents

891
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:50,869
took the child to hospital for an eye

892
00:40:54,009 --> 00:40:51,980
infection they thought was

893
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:54,019
conjunctivitis she was immediately

894
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:56,210
rushed into emergency to be treated by

895
00:41:01,239 --> 00:40:58,970
team of medical experts an eye

896
00:41:03,279 --> 00:41:01,249
specialist who testified said she would

897
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:03,289
have lost at least one eye due to an

898
00:41:09,819 --> 00:41:05,930
extreme vitamin A deficiency usually

899
00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:09,829
only seen in third world countries quote

900
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:12,349
probably only a third of the cornea was

901
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:14,690
left the rest had completely melted away

902
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:17,859
there was virtually no cornea remaining

903
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,089
Gloria died as a result of the infection

904
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:22,400
because all her nutrition had gone into

905
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,970
coping with her severe eczema but even

906
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:28,640
after Gloria died the father appeared to

907
00:41:32,349 --> 00:41:30,529
his belief that homeopathy was equally

908
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:32,359
valid to conventional medicine for the

909
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:35,450
treatment of eczema tragically he told

910
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:38,660
police boat conventional medicine would

911
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:40,970
have prolonged her life with more misery

912
00:41:45,549 --> 00:41:43,249
it's not going to cure her and that's

913
00:41:49,539 --> 00:41:45,559
what I strongly believe the couple await

914
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:49,549
sentencing and finally Simon Singh

915
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:51,319
announced yesterday that it here's to

916
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:53,180
apply to the court of appeal in the case

917
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:54,529
brought against him by the British

918
00:41:59,799 --> 00:41:57,950
Chiropractic Association the BCA took

919
00:42:02,200 --> 00:41:59,809
issue with an article Simon wrote in The

920
00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:02,210
Guardian newspaper where he stated the

921
00:42:06,999 --> 00:42:03,739
chiropractic treatment for ear

922
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:07,009
infections was bogus to coincide with

923
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,170
his decision to appeal a support

924
00:42:13,329 --> 00:42:11,359
campaign called keep libel laws out of

925
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:13,339
science has been launched with the help

926
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,839
of the

927
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:16,960
uk-based sense about science in a

928
00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:19,390
statement published today over 100

929
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,799
people from the world of science

930
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:23,680
journalism publishing comedy literature

931
00:42:27,779 --> 00:42:25,450
and law have joined together to express

932
00:42:30,469 --> 00:42:27,789
support for Simon and to call for an

933
00:42:34,229 --> 00:42:30,479
urgent review of English law of libel

934
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:34,239
these include Stephen Fry Ricky Gervais

935
00:42:39,509 --> 00:42:36,700
Derren Brown Richard Dawkins Phil Plait

936
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,519
James Randi and even the skeptics own

937
00:42:45,749 --> 00:42:42,160
our own Iran's to give Peter ratbags

938
00:42:48,209 --> 00:42:45,759
outage and myself you can help by going

939
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:48,219
to the sense about science website at

940
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:51,130
sense about science org and signing the

941
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,950
petition Simon will also be in Australia

942
00:42:58,349 --> 00:42:55,599
next month as part of the Adelaide

943
00:43:01,410 --> 00:42:58,359
Festival of ideas on July the twelfth

944
00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:01,420
and Sydneysiders keep listening for news

945
00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:05,380
of a potential Sydney lecture too thanks

946
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:07,329
for joining me and until next time this

947
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:26,630
if you're looking for research on

948
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:28,950
skepticism and women gender issues the

949
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:31,170
facts about superstition education and

950
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:35,520
the wonder of science head to WWE com

951
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,950
the site of POD black cat it's been

952
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:40,200
described by dr. ben goldacre as a blog

953
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,210
that wins on timing enos accuracy

954
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:45,920
relevance and well rather silly names

955
00:44:06,050 --> 00:43:48,810
w-w-whoa black calm and what do you

956
00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:06,060
think join us now for drinking

957
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:17,910
I do like coming to this club and having

958
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:19,840
that lovely chinese dinner don't you dr.

959
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:22,660
rachy hello Richard yes I do hello and

960
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:24,580
hello to Dave the heavy singer hello

961
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:27,190
hello you look happy I'm very very happy

962
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:30,130
he always is easy choices hello to Iran

963
00:44:33,870 --> 00:44:32,170
Sergei hello written and thank you for

964
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:33,880
grain of salt thank you and hello to

965
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:36,760
Diane hi I'm nice to see you back here

966
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:39,400
again now before we get cracking on to

967
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:42,520
the the topics in the think tank two

968
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:44,860
announcements one welcome Dave the happy

969
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:46,630
singer officially as the newest member

970
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:49,690
of a skeptic zone thank you it's

971
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:51,790
brilliant we just couldn't get rid of

972
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:53,710
him he was always here so that our stuff

973
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,210
and he Minds will be an official member

974
00:45:02,430 --> 00:44:57,700
you kept inviting me I did access my

975
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:02,440
fault oh no it's I'm thrilled to to draw

976
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:03,550
the team can I have my picture on the

977
00:45:08,970 --> 00:45:06,390
website you do already oh really

978
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:08,980
horizontal do you want is it yes I mean

979
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:12,250
no if you look over the top but I just

980
00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:13,750
need to get a bio and things for me but

981
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:15,340
I mean either you're not a guest gonna

982
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:18,130
have to do the dishes with us and make

983
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:20,680
the tea but that's fine i always do feel

984
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:22,390
that you know when i come to the time

985
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:23,740
I'm the one that should be serving the

986
00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:26,290
drinks I've still got this kind of what

987
00:45:30,350 --> 00:45:28,120
the hell am I doing here bringing rachel

988
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:30,360
a nice champagne and I don't know anyway

989
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:34,150
and I annulment some of you may already

990
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:36,430
know that Iran said give they run from a

991
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:39,030
grain of salt it was recently elective

992
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:42,250
elected president of the Australian

993
00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:47,560
skeptics in New South Wales dente dr.

994
00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:49,600
reach in myself a vice president so he's

995
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:50,950
our boss reaching what do you think

996
00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:53,050
about that I think it's fine i think

997
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:54,280
it's more of an issue that you and I

998
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:56,830
gonna butt heads as to who's the better

999
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:00,790
vice president as long as long as I

1000
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:05,260
don't have to judge can I yes you can

1001
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:07,540
bake you can vote eganville all right

1002
00:46:11,610 --> 00:46:09,430
now we've got a lot of interesting

1003
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:11,620
topics to cover today in the think tank

1004
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:14,290
before we get to the very serious stuff

1005
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:16,570
Dave the happy singer and dr. hu thank

1006
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:17,830
you very much for coming down to

1007
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:20,890
Melbourne oh yeah last weekend to do

1008
00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:23,730
that Sydney talks to Melbourne wasn't

1009
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:26,100
the best time amazing that was a

1010
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:28,770
fabulous weekend it's yeah I'm still

1011
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,630
coming down off it now it was great and

1012
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:33,240
we must all think very much the young

1013
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,430
Australian skeptics absolutely work yeah

1014
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,980
and when everything just came off so

1015
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:40,260
brilliantly well didn't it it was

1016
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:42,510
organised so well the venue was just

1017
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,780
fantastic we had a really great system

1018
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:48,480
to run our slides and it'll work and

1019
00:46:52,220 --> 00:46:50,040
people showed up and we find ourselves

1020
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:52,230
the game promotion well and it is just

1021
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,600
really well organized and fabulous

1022
00:47:00,140 --> 00:46:57,119
drinks in the pub afterwards it's just

1023
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,150
dressed such a great honor to meet that

1024
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:03,359
was the best in fact listeners we'll

1025
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:04,830
just remember because they've just heard

1026
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,470
it my report from Melanie which included

1027
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,060
those drinks from the pub and all sorts

1028
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:11,400
of himself Wow it was fantastic and

1029
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:13,290
Richard did you mention as part of your

1030
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:14,940
report there are lots of photographs up

1031
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:18,450
on flickr and videos on yugioh videos I

1032
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:20,550
didn't I don't think but videos i had

1033
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:25,200
Kylie sturgis's pod black calm is the

1034
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:28,140
chief calm go they'll spot black calm

1035
00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:31,710
and also yeah that's Carly yeah not

1036
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:34,080
daughters well do t that's her YouTube

1037
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,810
channel pod black do tea alright yeah I

1038
00:47:41,090 --> 00:47:38,760
was wetting confused it's a strange I

1039
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:41,100
mean she was with us all weekend but her

1040
00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:42,930
videos consists mostly of you and I

1041
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:46,590
eating well that's true perhaps that's

1042
00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:49,080
that consisted a high enough proportion

1043
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:52,109
of the weekend one okay one at one of

1044
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:53,820
the videos is called Richard Saunders

1045
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:56,100
eats his way through milk yes and then

1046
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:59,460
there's another one called curves back

1047
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:01,710
in or something when she's reading an

1048
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:03,390
article about curves are being back in

1049
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,950
fashion and she asks you what you think

1050
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:06,119
about that and then the rest of the

1051
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,369
YouTube video is you even eating yeah

1052
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:11,040
developing your clothes indeed indeed

1053
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:13,609
I've had enough of being thin in fact

1054
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:16,050
now I'm trying to lose a few pounds or

1055
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:18,570
kilos but am in fact nevermind all right

1056
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:21,330
let's get that's a thank you to the

1057
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,440
young Australian skeptics really

1058
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:24,420
seriously absolutely been a big shout

1059
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:26,010
out to Katharine she did such a

1060
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:28,290
fantastic job with the catering she's

1061
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:30,750
just amazing she was great can I hope

1062
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:33,900
thank Jason Brown the drunken madman who

1063
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,619
helped me a lot with the the PA

1064
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:40,079
so thank you transporting the Giri he

1065
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:41,579
really helped me out and I couldn't have

1066
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:44,130
done it without him indeed cheers jason

1067
00:48:49,579 --> 00:48:47,130
right Thank You drunken man man he must

1068
00:48:55,279 --> 00:48:49,589
have been a drunken madman he was I mean

1069
00:48:57,499 --> 00:48:55,289
I left before yes I only saw the

1070
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:57,509
hangovers you know I like my beauty

1071
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,740
sleep oh seok ask a question is it is it

1072
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,180
going to be in Reverse as well are the

1073
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:04,740
Melbourne is coming to Sydney for the

1074
00:49:11,779 --> 00:49:07,529
talks we that's probably a good idea but

1075
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:11,789
in the meantime we were sort of thinking

1076
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:15,480
about going to pass talking in Perth but

1077
00:49:18,769 --> 00:49:17,249
we'll see we know we have to do

1078
00:49:20,509 --> 00:49:18,779
something else because it was so much

1079
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:20,519
fun it was really great and maybe that

1080
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:23,220
will join us in Brisbane no Brisbane in

1081
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,569
November of course for the Australian

1082
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,400
skeptics National Convention and we'll

1083
00:49:30,769 --> 00:49:28,400
be talking more about that very soon so

1084
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:30,779
listen to the pseudoscience this podcast

1085
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:33,569
please do yeah great we've got a great

1086
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:36,420
podcast great kids great fun rachel

1087
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,670
dunlop or dr. rachy from dr. Reggie

1088
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,559
reports and thank you for your report

1089
00:49:45,289 --> 00:49:43,140
earlier on what do you have forests yes

1090
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:45,299
Richard I have a story here from the

1091
00:49:49,789 --> 00:49:47,730
Guardian in the UK about a group of

1092
00:49:52,579 --> 00:49:49,799
scientists which is the voice of young

1093
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:52,589
science from the UK and they have

1094
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:54,210
written an open letter to the World

1095
00:49:59,749 --> 00:49:56,970
Health Organization imploring them to

1096
00:50:02,720 --> 00:49:59,759
condemn homeopathy as a treatment for

1097
00:50:04,999 --> 00:50:02,730
chronic and incurable diseases such as

1098
00:50:06,769 --> 00:50:05,009
HIV so people are peddling in free

1099
00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:06,779
jovially well of course they are they

1100
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:08,190
are in Africa yeah I guess that's a

1101
00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:09,720
rhetorical question it is a rhetorical

1102
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:11,789
question there have been quite a few

1103
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:14,339
clinics set up in parts of sub-saharan

1104
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:17,700
Africa where diseases such as HIV TB and

1105
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:20,970
malaria are endemic and these people are

1106
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,369
offering homeopathy as an alternative to

1107
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:25,440
conventional medicine because obviously

1108
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:27,569
conventional medicine doesn't offer q us

1109
00:50:35,979 --> 00:50:31,849
anyway and they're offering it as a

1110
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:35,989
alternative because it's cheaper now

1111
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:38,910
cheaper shopping so sugar and work is

1112
00:50:45,229 --> 00:50:43,049
very costly in elgin constantly yes so

1113
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:45,239
these people are saying that these

1114
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:46,410
doctors are saying that you know

1115
00:50:49,999 --> 00:50:48,089
vulnerable patients are dying after

1116
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:50,009
turning to homeopathic preparations

1117
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:50,670
instead of a

1118
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,330
effective medica in medications and when

1119
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:56,400
homeopathy stands in place of effective

1120
00:51:02,180 --> 00:50:58,650
treatment their lives are lost good

1121
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:02,190
groove it's they're saying that there is

1122
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:03,870
no evidence that it works for these

1123
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,300
diseases but the way it is being sold by

1124
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:07,980
practitioners is dangerous and

1125
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,290
completely unethical and these medicines

1126
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:13,440
that do work there are medicines that do

1127
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,240
work and we should be advocating trying

1128
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:18,000
to get those two people now the thing

1129
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:19,470
that these doctors are trying to

1130
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:20,730
highlight is that it's hard enough

1131
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:23,730
getting real medicine into sub-saharan

1132
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,520
Africa to make available to the public

1133
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:29,040
and so in the meantime these you know

1134
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:30,570
other people are coming along saying

1135
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,530
well just try our homeopathy yeah but

1136
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:36,720
let me just give you a little snapshot

1137
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,150
of the statistics for the number of

1138
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:41,220
people who are infected with HIV in

1139
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:44,130
Africa yeah and so this will give you

1140
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:46,110
some idea of the problem that we're

1141
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:47,370
dealing with and the fact that these

1142
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:50,330
people are preying on this problem

1143
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:53,190
according to WHO estimates there are 33

1144
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:56,310
million people living with HIV at the

1145
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:00,900
end of 2007 during 2007 2 million people

1146
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:04,530
died of AIDS and this included 270,000

1147
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:07,740
children and two thirds of the world's

1148
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:10,980
HIV cases are in sub-saharan Africa

1149
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:14,010
through group yeah so it's an absolutely

1150
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:18,270
massive massive problem and Raymond tell

1151
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:21,480
us who is an emirate asst professor of

1152
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,450
geriatric medicine has said that the

1153
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,400
catastrophic consequences of promoting

1154
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:28,920
irrational and ineffective treatments

1155
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:30,600
for serious illnesses have been

1156
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:32,730
demonstrated in South Africa previously

1157
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,220
and this is where my Becky's policies

1158
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,640
have led to an estimated 365,000

1159
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:41,280
unnecessary premature deaths now you

1160
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:43,770
probably know that member key said that

1161
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,290
there was no link between hiv/aids MSM

1162
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:48,540
back by the way he's back he was he was

1163
00:52:55,010 --> 00:52:51,980
out for the presidency for a while and

1164
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:55,020
about just over a month ago he was voted

1165
00:52:59,660 --> 00:52:57,930
back in hmm she's very sad for anybody

1166
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,670
with HIV or anybody who might will get

1167
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:01,740
HIV over the next few years while he's

1168
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:03,090
still a president there but it's funny

1169
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,470
how so many people turn

1170
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,000
and I to this I mean you don't hear this

1171
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:07,859
screamed about on the media every day do

1172
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:10,410
you well know you don't but the other

1173
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:11,400
thing that's interesting about this

1174
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:12,900
story is you know who else has it

1175
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,990
wrapped up in this don't you did you say

1176
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,300
wrath I did you did the end of my breaks

1177
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:21,300
yeah Mikey's wrath that's right when he

1178
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,650
was one of the people that was actually

1179
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:24,599
feeding the information to and Becky

1180
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:27,090
originally about the fact that you could

1181
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:29,990
cure AIDS with vitamins and supplements

1182
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:33,570
so he's wrapped up in this really

1183
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:37,890
tightly yeah it's I don't even know what

1184
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:39,930
to say so appalling so that they're

1185
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:42,359
using homeopathy because it's cheaper

1186
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:44,910
yeah in conventional medicine oh yeah

1187
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:46,619
yeah but somebody's making an awful lot

1188
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,359
of money out of it well that's true i

1189
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:50,160
mean and the thing is they can probably

1190
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:52,020
just make it up on the spot is it the

1191
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:53,700
thing that a lot of people don't don't

1192
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,710
fully realize it's it's a license to

1193
00:54:01,310 --> 00:53:58,200
print money you can just get sugar and

1194
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:01,320
water or water or whatever it is or you

1195
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:03,330
don't even have to do a damn thing to it

1196
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:04,950
you know you've got a circus it showing

1197
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,810
Yeah right yes as if our now Diane you

1198
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:12,359
and I encountered a major company here

1199
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:14,070
in Australia a couple of weeks back at

1200
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:16,500
the pregnancy children's and babies expo

1201
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:20,070
yes and who was a major homeopathy

1202
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:21,900
company in the system in this country

1203
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:27,270
and I said to you what I suspect

1204
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,950
strongly is whatever ingredients they

1205
00:54:33,050 --> 00:54:31,020
have all the homeopathic they just

1206
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:33,060
producing my sugar pills I remember

1207
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:34,770
asking there was one particular

1208
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,630
medication that I said just asked how

1209
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:38,280
does it work and the man actually

1210
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,930
promoting us it look we don't really

1211
00:54:44,359 --> 00:54:41,760
know he had no idea couldn't even

1212
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:44,369
explain it yeah if you know if it works

1213
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:47,910
at all it just was just really silly but

1214
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,250
did he say that as an indication of it

1215
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:52,260
does work but we don't know Yeah right

1216
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,530
yeah I think that's probably you know to

1217
00:55:00,320 --> 00:54:57,480
a certain extent that's valid because

1218
00:55:01,579 --> 00:55:00,330
there are treatments that modern

1219
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:01,589
medicine especially things to do with

1220
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,690
the brain we're very often things that

1221
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:05,460
we know work but we don't know how they

1222
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:08,220
work or at least don't know completely

1223
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:09,480
how they work the problem within our

1224
00:55:16,109 --> 00:55:12,570
myopathy is that it doesn't work so

1225
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:16,119
how does it work like say how do you fly

1226
00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:18,700
to work this morning yes well I didn't

1227
00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:22,660
know question is redundant it's like

1228
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:24,460
this is like something out of Monty

1229
00:55:28,859 --> 00:55:26,710
Python you know the blow comes in and he

1230
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:28,869
goes like Hello I like some medicine

1231
00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:31,690
please he goes we're all out a medicine

1232
00:55:43,770 --> 00:55:37,630
kapner well we got only up a fee well

1233
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:43,780
does it work please cheaper oh the dead

1234
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:47,140
parents get all these rate do it talk

1235
00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:50,350
does it do very well it's hardly a suit

1236
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:55,150
made out yellow do you know they've got

1237
00:56:03,720 --> 00:55:59,950
homeopaths Without Borders I put it is

1238
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:03,730
very um at the very least a German

1239
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:06,270
organization that I came across a

1240
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:08,590
homeopath enormous and small sunland

1241
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:10,780
British homeopaths Without Borders good

1242
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:12,910
earner and I mean it's just it's Lou

1243
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:15,180
present only how do you pass without

1244
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:20,410
medicines when we pass without efficacy

1245
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:23,230
no I was just thinking how do you I own

1246
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:26,290
you casting in French because they don't

1247
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:29,470
say h2o me lism and Liz ameerpet I'm

1248
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:39,810
no I know BB hsf here yeah I i hada this

1249
00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:42,220
is completely off topic this I

1250
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:43,720
completely off topic that I saw there's

1251
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:46,450
this really big butch bloke coming you

1252
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:48,130
know clearly a big old sports fun with a

1253
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,540
big jacket and everything you have this

1254
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:51,280
big sticker over the side of his arm

1255
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:54,850
like big so non bad thing say go HRT and

1256
00:57:02,340 --> 00:56:57,070
I was completely confusing hormone

1257
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:02,350
replacements I was like what on earth is

1258
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:05,410
he talking about yeah come on hormone

1259
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:07,720
replacement therapy yeah it's great it's

1260
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:10,730
done I mean it didn't yeah

1261
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:13,100
I certainly didn't look like somebody

1262
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,240
had gone through the menopause and

1263
00:57:18,790 --> 00:57:15,920
certainly not somebody you've gone

1264
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:18,800
through the menopause and used HRT um

1265
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:21,410
cuz he had a lovely mustache but no

1266
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,090
apparently was the holden racing team

1267
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:25,670
and I was just completely grabbing a run

1268
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:29,119
all the music the Australian now so

1269
00:57:32,770 --> 00:57:30,920
callously it was the Australian dollar

1270
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,780
general motors bill now general motors

1271
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:34,880
of gum burst it's the Australian opal or

1272
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:39,850
vauxhall yeah speaking of homeopathy

1273
00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:44,240
Oprah Winfrey yes you like that segue do

1274
00:57:47,290 --> 00:57:45,500
that was reasonable you're actually

1275
00:57:48,970 --> 00:57:47,300
improving I think what do you think

1276
00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:48,980
diana is it getting better yeah a little

1277
00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:52,760
bit slowly no course not this is true

1278
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,830
and i'll see this is what we need

1279
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:56,960
seamless segways like that rich in it

1280
00:58:01,420 --> 00:57:58,970
you know there's a restaurant in sydney

1281
00:58:06,430 --> 00:58:01,430
named after Oprah what there's a severe

1282
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:06,440
so proudly she arrives with my workhorse

1283
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:08,330
lately I thought it was the Sydney Opera

1284
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:13,730
House he's officially on the podcast

1285
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:16,010
he'll make bad jokes like Richard

1286
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:19,730
Saunders now this is a story about an

1287
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:21,410
article that was in Newsweek this week

1288
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:24,290
oh yes good article it is a very good

1289
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:26,420
article it's written by Western Kosovo

1290
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:28,940
and Pat Wingert from Newsweek and it's

1291
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:31,760
about Oprah's power mm-hmm and her power

1292
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:35,630
to do bad things mmm her power to spread

1293
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:38,210
misinformation and I think it was

1294
00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:41,060
probably catalyzed by the Jenny McCarthy

1295
00:58:47,050 --> 00:58:43,220
story which minute many of our listeners

1296
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,060
would know involves Oprah giving Jenny

1297
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:50,480
McCarthy a blog on her I thought she was

1298
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:53,180
getting her own show for a while well I

1299
00:58:58,359 --> 00:58:55,130
don't know if that's happened yet I know

1300
00:59:00,570 --> 00:58:58,369
that the that usually leads to getting

1301
00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:00,580
your own talk show so once you get

1302
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:03,350
syndicated all sort of you know sperm

1303
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:05,450
endorsed by operator generally leads to

1304
00:59:09,130 --> 00:59:07,400
a talk show I'll add dr. Phil yeah your

1305
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:09,140
example he's coming to Australia by the

1306
00:59:14,109 --> 00:59:11,390
way really yes being big chosen Sydney

1307
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,119
yeah I guess GP no we don't you pay for

1308
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:16,160
it we have Cepeda but we get back Rachel

1309
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,840
we went to see Benny Hinn give me a

1310
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:19,520
break yes so therefore I can do anything

1311
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,190
now because I found the love of anyway

1312
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:23,760
did he pay to see Ben again

1313
00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:26,490
yeah with our sanity for three hours you

1314
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:28,560
paid ten cents to get may 380 where is

1315
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:32,250
it no come okay go anyway this is an

1316
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,650
article about the advice that Oprah

1317
00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:36,660
offers on her show and how influential

1318
00:59:41,570 --> 00:59:39,360
that is to the public and I'm just going

1319
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,580
to start off by explaining to everybody

1320
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,640
about how many viewers Oprah has and how

1321
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:46,920
many people she reaches which will give

1322
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:49,350
you an indication of how she could use

1323
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,520
her influence for good or evil these are

1324
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:55,200
size this fancy do you think you're the

1325
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,970
get smart reference I'm just thinking of

1326
01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:58,680
some kind of superhero you know should I

1327
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:01,400
use my power for good awful

1328
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:03,090
unfortunately I don't think she can tell

1329
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:04,470
the difference but here are some

1330
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:05,910
statistics that I'm quoting from a

1331
01:00:11,420 --> 01:00:08,730
Newsweek article 40 million people tuned

1332
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:11,430
in to watch her show every week her

1333
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:14,130
magazine Oh which featured her picture

1334
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,430
on every cover sells more than 2 million

1335
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,920
copies every month she has her own

1336
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:22,140
satellite radio channel and a very

1337
01:00:29,810 --> 01:00:25,470
popular website and her personal fortune

1338
01:00:31,610 --> 01:00:29,820
is valued at 2.7 billion dollars and her

1339
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:31,620
Empire is about to get bigger she's made

1340
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:33,030
a deal to launch her own cable

1341
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:34,860
television channel which is estimated to

1342
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:41,400
reach 70 million homes wow so this is

1343
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:44,070
this is the the extent of the reach that

1344
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,490
Oprah will have and so the potential for

1345
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:49,440
her sponsoring or endorsing Jenny

1346
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:52,110
McCarthy is going to be potentially

1347
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:55,230
enormous now that the article is very

1348
01:00:58,790 --> 01:00:57,090
thorough in fact it covers a lot of the

1349
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,800
stuff that she has featured on her show

1350
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:01,500
and points out that she does have some

1351
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:03,000
accurate stuff and some good stuff for

1352
01:01:08,570 --> 01:01:05,640
example dr. oz I'm not that familiar

1353
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,580
with but apparently he's he does provide

1354
01:01:15,020 --> 01:01:10,920
he or she I think it's a it's a moment

1355
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:15,030
sir yes he's very pretty is he yes but

1356
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,440
he's also a doctor but he does

1357
01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:18,780
apparently provide recently a very good

1358
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:21,240
medical advice no thanks and apparently

1359
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:24,780
she also often has the trainer from The

1360
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:26,910
Biggest Loser to be honest I don't watch

1361
01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:28,710
the shows I don't know that I'm telling

1362
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:30,270
you what i'm reading on my face is

1363
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:31,470
looking funny because i don't watch it

1364
01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:34,350
either but there this article starts off

1365
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:37,270
with the story of susan summers who

1366
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,930
oh the actress yes who's 62 and uses all

1367
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:42,640
these therapies to make herself try to

1368
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:46,390
hormones yeah she uses by bioidentical

1369
01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:49,950
hormone treatment which he guzzles

1370
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:52,600
copious amount vitamin pills every day

1371
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:54,910
does she does she takes 60 vitamin

1372
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,040
tablets a day or something not something

1373
01:02:03,210 --> 01:01:58,960
huge like that but she also

1374
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,220
interestingly injects where does it say

1375
01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:05,440
this she injects vitamins into her

1376
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:08,680
vagina every day oh here we go she

1377
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:10,450
injects estrogen directly into her

1378
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:12,070
vagina moving right along you want to

1379
01:02:22,850 --> 01:02:19,810
make us Cohen right but you're expecting

1380
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:22,860
a bad joke from me now that forget about

1381
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:26,830
oh let me call editor town was it

1382
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:28,570
something about injecting nutrients into

1383
01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:31,540
a vagina that's a bad enough joke as it

1384
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:33,880
is yeah I think I'm going to leave that

1385
01:02:39,330 --> 01:02:37,090
one but I found this interesting as she

1386
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:39,340
she also does the holder stuff like she

1387
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:41,910
does detox she does chelation therapy if

1388
01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:44,650
she's exposed to secondhand cigarette

1389
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:47,590
smoke she goes and gets um promotion

1390
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:49,900
collation therapy is it but very nice in

1391
01:02:55,170 --> 01:02:53,200
there that sounds bizarre and humorous I

1392
01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:55,180
wonder if that is actually what she does

1393
01:03:01,230 --> 01:02:56,980
well this is what she said on the show

1394
01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:01,240
that she does oh it was pictures but how

1395
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:02,500
am I richest you wouldn't do that for

1396
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:05,290
publicity would she well she's written I

1397
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:06,670
tell you it around she's written 18

1398
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:09,070
books and I've spent she spent hours on

1399
01:03:14,340 --> 01:03:12,730
this so she knows her stuff okay that's

1400
01:03:16,350 --> 01:03:14,350
what she actually is right quiet when

1401
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:16,360
you from 18 but so you want to challenge

1402
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:18,700
her have you written 18 books did you

1403
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:20,890
enjoy I and I haven't spent hours you

1404
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:23,860
wouldn't I I've written 18 books sure

1405
01:03:32,370 --> 01:03:30,460
you have you not about vagina no but

1406
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:32,380
Richard this might've caught this caught

1407
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:34,330
my attention and rang bells with me and

1408
01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:36,340
you might this might ring a bell with

1409
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:39,700
you in addition she wears nanotechnology

1410
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:45,900
yes yes what do you think that is does

1411
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:47,410
she wear them on the outside of her but

1412
01:03:55,019 --> 01:03:51,569
Jamie's is a what do you think they are

1413
01:03:58,469 --> 01:03:55,029
there the UH was a Goldie after my

1414
01:04:02,729 --> 01:03:58,479
middle name come on Noel Oh wife he'll

1415
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:02,739
wave live live way much weight she

1416
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:06,180
apparently went lifewave patches uh

1417
01:04:11,819 --> 01:04:09,849
phenomena technology homeopathic nanood

1418
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:11,829
Oh nanotechnologies the refer to the

1419
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:15,130
size of a brain oh no I want to write a

1420
01:04:22,979 --> 01:04:17,650
song about her like this stuff is small

1421
01:04:26,670 --> 01:04:22,989
this stuff is really you will never see

1422
01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:26,680
it you won't see it at all it says well

1423
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,999
it's a really good idea for a song I

1424
01:04:33,989 --> 01:04:30,640
must remember yeah actually just as a

1425
01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:33,999
sec as a side issue people who know me

1426
01:04:39,209 --> 01:04:36,249
and read my blog at skeptics book com

1427
01:04:42,269 --> 01:04:39,219
would have noticed I'm so she got her

1428
01:04:44,579 --> 01:04:42,279
reference in before you Dave you falling

1429
01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:44,589
actually no it's the blog on skeptics

1430
01:04:49,469 --> 01:04:47,079
owners well yes blog about life wave

1431
01:04:52,469 --> 01:04:49,479
which i did on a doctor a chi a number

1432
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:52,479
of months ago and periodically we get

1433
01:04:56,819 --> 01:04:54,670
either distributors or users that come

1434
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:56,829
on to the blog and try to defend oh yeah

1435
01:05:02,009 --> 01:05:00,160
the efficacy of life wave patches and we

1436
01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:02,019
had one recently and did you were you

1437
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:04,539
involved in that exchange no I didn't

1438
01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:06,670
see it all okay this is the first I've

1439
01:05:10,169 --> 01:05:08,289
ever heard about life wave patches oh

1440
01:05:11,789 --> 01:05:10,179
really yes are they amazing Ivan

1441
01:05:13,439 --> 01:05:11,799
nanotechnology they are there

1442
01:05:17,009 --> 01:05:13,449
homeopathic they use photo by a

1443
01:05:21,299 --> 01:05:17,019
modulation and in watch wow so many

1444
01:05:22,890 --> 01:05:21,309
prefixes is if I listens if you don't

1445
01:05:24,449 --> 01:05:22,900
know anything about life wave patches go

1446
01:05:27,269 --> 01:05:24,459
on to the skeptic zone blog which is

1447
01:05:29,339 --> 01:05:27,279
linked story skeptics I on TV yep search

1448
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,349
the blogs and you'll find my non-life

1449
01:05:33,419 --> 01:05:31,599
wave don't go to d4 happy singer calm

1450
01:05:35,249 --> 01:05:33,429
you I'm anything about my weight on

1451
01:05:38,219 --> 01:05:35,259
there but if you want to see an

1452
01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:38,229
interesting exchange between people

1453
01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:41,109
commenting about life wave in the past

1454
01:05:45,449 --> 01:05:42,849
week or so I had a gentleman by the name

1455
01:05:48,529 --> 01:05:45,459
of many come on to my blog and defend

1456
01:05:51,779 --> 01:05:48,539
the patches and it turned into this

1457
01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:51,789
incredibly long exchange with himself

1458
01:05:54,779 --> 01:05:54,009
and anybody else who criticized what he

1459
01:05:57,209 --> 01:05:54,789
said

1460
01:06:00,059 --> 01:05:57,219
and then it turned into the Big Pharma

1461
01:06:02,009 --> 01:06:00,069
conspiracies and that I was being paid

1462
01:06:04,529 --> 01:06:02,019
by the government and you know all that

1463
01:06:07,259 --> 01:06:04,539
stuff Big Pharma reminds me by the way

1464
01:06:11,309 --> 01:06:07,269
um Dave is now for now as a member of

1465
01:06:14,249 --> 01:06:11,319
zona he he should get cuts as well time

1466
01:06:17,189 --> 01:06:14,259
tell anybody yeah my checks tomorrow no

1467
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:17,199
that is my sorry I didn't realize your

1468
01:06:23,819 --> 01:06:20,319
body's just on that night Suzanne Somers

1469
01:06:25,439 --> 01:06:23,829
Suzanne Somers also says that it's

1470
01:06:27,809 --> 01:06:25,449
mainstream doctors who need to get their

1471
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:27,819
facts straight and I quote the problem

1472
01:06:32,179 --> 01:06:29,529
is that our medical schools do not teach

1473
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:32,189
this this is about bioidentical hormones

1474
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:34,630
tribal schools nanotechnology pressures

1475
01:06:39,479 --> 01:06:38,049
yeah once you enter no she says our

1476
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:39,489
medical schools emails like to wonder

1477
01:06:46,019 --> 01:06:43,839
why she wanted no but she believes that

1478
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:46,029
doctors scientists and the media are all

1479
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:47,650
in the pocket of the pharmaceutical

1480
01:06:53,909 --> 01:06:51,729
industry surprise surprise and she says

1481
01:06:56,279 --> 01:06:53,919
yes I mean it's the same stuff all the

1482
01:06:58,319 --> 01:06:56,289
time isn't it quote billions are spent

1483
01:07:02,329 --> 01:06:58,329
on marketing drugs and these companies

1484
01:07:05,999 --> 01:07:02,339
also support academic research mmm fishy

1485
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:06,009
free free from these entanglements only

1486
01:07:09,149 --> 01:07:07,900
mine and the same time they're flogging

1487
01:07:10,969 --> 01:07:09,159
all their books and stuff no one

1488
01:07:13,049 --> 01:07:10,979
listened it there yeah you're absolutely

1489
01:07:15,539 --> 01:07:13,059
Rachel in the means I was banging a head

1490
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:15,549
on the table this is free from these

1491
01:07:20,609 --> 01:07:17,890
entanglements summers can see things

1492
01:07:22,499 --> 01:07:20,619
clearly quote I have spent thousands of

1493
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:22,509
hours on this I've written 18 books I

1494
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:25,569
know my stuff and she and then Oprah

1495
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:28,209
says quote we have the right to demand a

1496
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:30,130
better quality of life for ourselves and

1497
01:07:35,099 --> 01:07:32,049
that's what doctors have got to learn to

1498
01:07:41,279 --> 01:07:35,109
start respecting oh yes those doctors

1499
01:07:43,799 --> 01:07:41,289
are ya measles bring back measles has

1500
01:07:46,289 --> 01:07:43,809
everyone seen that clip measles your

1501
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:46,299
whistles Rebecca was Emma Watson yeah

1502
01:07:50,939 --> 01:07:49,089
Dubz attention staff could please please

1503
01:07:53,279 --> 01:07:50,949
attend to the cafe please could you

1504
01:07:55,949 --> 01:07:53,289
please attend to the cafe thank you so

1505
01:07:57,359 --> 01:07:55,959
he's in trouble yeah please yeah it

1506
01:08:00,599 --> 01:07:57,369
wasn't about to get this week it was

1507
01:08:02,279 --> 01:08:00,609
them it was Chris yeah I get that that's

1508
01:08:03,449 --> 01:08:02,289
a very funny way everyone gets Maysles

1509
01:08:05,459 --> 01:08:03,459
now that journey is going to be on the

1510
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:05,469
show yeah but everyone going look for

1511
01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:08,610
just do a Google for Newsweek Oprah yes

1512
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:11,040
you'll find this dog very well very very

1513
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:12,690
well written story really worth a read

1514
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:15,450
very well researched this is suzanne

1515
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:17,460
somers woman clearly in the pocket of

1516
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:23,970
big publishing am already have this

1517
01:08:31,940 --> 01:08:29,130
mistake he did this time master yes yeah

1518
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:31,950
she's the one who was I he's the one who

1519
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:36,960
was um in threes company yes yeah she

1520
01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:39,270
she was the stupid woman John the papa

1521
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:41,910
so apparently would not bring Maci I'd

1522
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:43,650
always thought she was a really good

1523
01:08:48,260 --> 01:08:46,440
actor of being being the stupid one on

1524
01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:48,270
Three's Company now turns that she was

1525
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:52,430
not acting stupid maybe not allegedly

1526
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:54,660
problem with people being really good

1527
01:08:58,700 --> 01:08:56,910
actors and really good porn stars

1528
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:58,710
members and gifts the next courtesy bus

1529
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:01,980
will be in today winter nelson park

1530
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,380
dolly children marrickville this service

1531
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:06,000
will be departing in five minutes time

1532
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:08,430
thank you not over the gags please it's

1533
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,730
all true listeners it's all true ah

1534
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,960
anyway let's change the topic a little

1535
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:14,640
bit before the next bus announcement

1536
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:18,390
comes on we've had a listener right into

1537
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,970
me I won't give her name out but she

1538
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:22,500
says she's married to somebody who

1539
01:09:27,710 --> 01:09:25,290
completely believes in whoo an

1540
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:27,720
alternative medicine and spiritual

1541
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:30,510
homeopathy enchanting the chakras of the

1542
01:09:35,210 --> 01:09:33,480
seventh Meridian channel of them yeah

1543
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:35,220
all that sort of thing and she was

1544
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,730
asking me she doesn't she's a skeptic

1545
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:40,380
and she's finding it a bit difficult

1546
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,650
know what advice can we offer I mean if

1547
01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:45,120
you're living or someone who completely

1548
01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:49,080
is away with the fairies move out let's

1549
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:51,150
just drop like that's what I was going

1550
01:09:54,820 --> 01:09:52,740
to say I don't know how people do I

1551
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:54,830
really don't know how people do it yeah

1552
01:10:00,710 --> 01:09:58,860
yeah I think it would be difficult it

1553
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:00,720
will give you the flies that there's

1554
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:03,890
somebody we both know Richard actually

1555
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:08,370
you know him too whose wife is that he's

1556
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:11,610
a prominent skeptic and his wife is you

1557
01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:15,570
know so would believe anything and and

1558
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,590
always say I admire him for his ability

1559
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:21,360
to live in the same house with somebody

1560
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:22,020
who's

1561
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:24,570
views are selling mindset it's just so

1562
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:28,650
so radically different yeah yeah I I

1563
01:10:33,860 --> 01:10:31,530
don't know how it's possible I will be

1564
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,870
able to do that it's it's it's like we

1565
01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:35,820
really can't offer much advice at all

1566
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:38,340
Kenny I don't know what I would do idea

1567
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:40,410
i couldn't do with it I'd really

1568
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:44,130
struggle to relate to somebody who saw

1569
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:47,730
the world so did irrationally but if but

1570
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:50,670
if if you are going to do something

1571
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:52,020
about it I've always found that whenever

1572
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:55,050
I'm kind of confronting somebody about

1573
01:10:59,150 --> 01:10:57,480
this sort of thing they I found the best

1574
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,160
approaches to ask questions rather than

1575
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:02,820
two to make statements also saying oh

1576
01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:06,300
that's a lot of bollocks is is not it's

1577
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,860
not helpful to just enter enter his

1578
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:10,080
people and lace but if you just ask

1579
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,460
which and you don't even have to like

1580
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:13,140
not the big question right so where's

1581
01:11:18,710 --> 01:11:15,210
the evidence that homeopathy works you

1582
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:18,720
know just just gentle much much more

1583
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:20,730
gentle questions please decent probing

1584
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:22,530
and resonance is probably the rule in

1585
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:24,090
general this is known for a close

1586
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,710
relationship like when you're describing

1587
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:27,420
oh you know this is what we do at mind

1588
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:29,310
buddy wallet we ask okay just generally

1589
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:31,890
when you talk to true believers you you

1590
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:33,150
know you shouldn't knock them you

1591
01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:38,430
shouldn't be disrespectful it's just

1592
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,020
that when you have to share your life

1593
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:42,060
with somebody I don't know that that's a

1594
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:43,860
bit tougher oh it was the size of

1595
01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:45,810
bicycle year it's not you're assuming

1596
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,470
think what you're assuming is that this

1597
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,880
is something that they actually talk

1598
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:52,500
about rather than an old something

1599
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:54,650
that's overarching the relationship I

1600
01:12:00,500 --> 01:11:57,300
don't think so this whole thing about

1601
01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:00,510
ask questions rather than then mark or

1602
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:03,150
be disrespectful that's when they talk

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:06,300
about that but I think if I were in this

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01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,650
situation i don't think i could get into

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:08,880
that situation buddy for were in that

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01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:10,170
situation I think what would bother me

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:14,070
most is the fact that that person whom I

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01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:16,290
love where I live with actually believes

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01:12:19,580 --> 01:12:17,460
in these things it's not about

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01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:19,590
convincing them it's not about how do we

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01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,690
convince about how do we live with

1612
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:23,280
something like this how do we live with

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:26,150
the lack of critical emergency happens

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01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:28,530
some some of the time people get

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01:12:31,979 --> 01:12:30,300
together like that with vastly different

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01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:31,989
world views

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01:12:37,859 --> 01:12:35,409
but it'll also happen over time can also

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01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:37,869
happen over time where I guess people

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:40,510
change in their believes and some people

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01:12:43,979 --> 01:12:42,489
wanna come or skeptic and never go more

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01:12:45,989 --> 01:12:43,989
in the direction of lieutenant I guess

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:45,999
that's what I there so there is a

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01:12:50,370 --> 01:12:48,010
solution to that actually in twenty-five

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01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:50,380
percent divorce that's right it's much

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01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:52,329
higher than that actually probably it's

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01:12:57,359 --> 01:12:54,460
more than forty-five or fifty percent

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01:12:59,250 --> 01:12:57,369
actually yeah I have family that believe

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01:13:00,899 --> 01:12:59,260
in psychic readings for example and I

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01:13:03,779 --> 01:13:00,909
convinced that something that a psychic

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01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:03,789
told them is has come true and so I 10

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01:13:07,259 --> 01:13:05,409
does this sort of smile and nod and I

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01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:07,269
don't really try to challenge that very

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01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:10,150
much when we've had a few wines we tend

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01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:11,409
to sort of get into discussions about

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01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:13,630
whether it's real or not but there's

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01:13:17,459 --> 01:13:15,249
never been an occasion where this person

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01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:17,469
has turned to me and said actually you

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01:13:21,509 --> 01:13:19,780
might be right and it's the same with

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01:13:24,509 --> 01:13:21,519
with true believers for anything isn't

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01:13:26,879 --> 01:13:24,519
it then they are unshaken regardless of

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01:13:29,549 --> 01:13:26,889
what's presented it's a very interesting

1642
01:13:31,379 --> 01:13:29,559
point you know this this listener has

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01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:31,389
raised if there we have any listeners

1644
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:33,249
out there who've been through a similar

1645
01:13:38,069 --> 01:13:34,840
experience and maybe found a good

1646
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:38,079
solution right in right in will be very

1647
01:13:42,959 --> 01:13:40,570
interested to hear what our listeners

1648
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,969
have to say about this situation I do

1649
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:45,280
think though that we go to what Rachel

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01:13:49,979 --> 01:13:47,380
just said was that I think it's

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01:13:51,839 --> 01:13:49,989
different when it's somebody even fairly

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01:13:53,729 --> 01:13:51,849
close and the person you live with

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:53,739
because my mom for example was a true

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01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:55,210
believer of many years and i just

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01:14:01,709 --> 01:13:59,170
recently just by by showing her

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01:14:03,569 --> 01:14:01,719
explaining to how for example psychics

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:03,579
work how cold reading works and giving

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01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:05,050
her a few examples basically i just

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01:14:08,939 --> 01:14:07,480
showed her I just pretended to do a

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01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:08,949
psychic reading on her now of course I

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01:14:12,299 --> 01:14:10,090
know everything there is to know about

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:12,309
her but I I used the same language and

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01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:14,050
he suddenly it opened her eyes we could

1664
01:14:19,109 --> 01:14:15,550
suddenly realize that's exactly what

1665
01:14:20,339 --> 01:14:19,119
happens hmm um so she has changed him I

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:20,349
a little bit of of course is you know

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01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:22,210
she's my mom and she thinks the Sun

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01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:23,409
shines that have a certain part of my

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01:14:27,870 --> 01:14:26,440
anatomy so you know if she has to judge

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01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:27,880
between me and anybody else of course

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01:14:33,899 --> 01:14:31,269
sometimes she would believe me but but

1672
01:14:36,569 --> 01:14:33,909
still you know when it's somebody you

1673
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,579
have a romantic relationship with you

1674
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:38,800
know it's very different if somebody who

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01:14:41,879 --> 01:14:40,300
is this thing has had that direct

1676
01:14:44,379 --> 01:14:41,889
experience I'd be very interested to

1677
01:14:46,419 --> 01:14:44,389
hear from them because I I don't know

1678
01:14:48,969 --> 01:14:46,429
me sort of along the same topic is also

1679
01:14:51,989 --> 01:14:48,979
when an atheist lips together with you

1680
01:14:54,129 --> 01:14:51,999
know very devout christian i find that

1681
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:54,139
unfathomable to be quite honest I don't

1682
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:56,780
know how you can do that it's possible

1683
01:15:01,929 --> 01:14:59,360
but I don't know how I think for some

1684
01:15:03,729 --> 01:15:01,939
people these these things just aren't

1685
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:03,739
big issues in their lives you know there

1686
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,610
might be not every person with

1687
01:15:13,209 --> 01:15:10,159
irrational beliefs is the the kind of

1688
01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:13,219
kind of true believer that we contend

1689
01:15:20,429 --> 01:15:16,699
with and not every rational person is a

1690
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:20,439
biggest skeptic or or passionate about

1691
01:15:25,029 --> 01:15:22,820
promoting reason you know there are just

1692
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,039
people who naturally go astrology's a

1693
01:15:28,389 --> 01:15:26,719
lot of nonsense and people who naturally

1694
01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:28,399
say ooh but we don't know and it's you

1695
01:15:31,569 --> 01:15:30,469
know it's interesting stuff and I'm they

1696
01:15:34,299 --> 01:15:31,579
can get on five because they'll have

1697
01:15:37,299 --> 01:15:34,309
mutual interests in all kinds of other

1698
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:37,309
stuff animals or hobbies or sports or

1699
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:40,729
whatever and these kind of different

1700
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,449
views of whatever it is astrology or on

1701
01:15:51,459 --> 01:15:49,760
natural natural medicine maybe a lot of

1702
01:15:53,469 --> 01:15:51,469
people and in this situation where they

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01:15:55,060 --> 01:15:53,479
at least live in a household with

1704
01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:55,070
somebody with a vastly different world

1705
01:15:59,500 --> 01:15:57,229
outlook but when you make decisions

1706
01:16:02,879 --> 01:15:59,510
together as a couple you know somehow

1707
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,889
though those beliefs would come you know

1708
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,360
come through and decisions that you make

1709
01:16:09,339 --> 01:16:07,760
so I don't obviously there's a lot of

1710
01:16:11,169 --> 01:16:09,349
reasons why people argue and people

1711
01:16:12,839 --> 01:16:11,179
fight in a relationship so I guess those

1712
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:12,849
are the things that people in arguing

1713
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:16,610
but so I guess we're all along a

1714
01:16:20,729 --> 01:16:18,860
spectrum somewhere so under further your

1715
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:20,739
apart the more chances you have of that

1716
01:16:25,299 --> 01:16:23,090
relationship not working eventually I

1717
01:16:27,819 --> 01:16:25,309
guess hmm as if someone in your

1718
01:16:30,189 --> 01:16:27,829
relationship wants to plant the cabbages

1719
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:30,199
when the moon is at the right hi well

1720
01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:31,820
I'm as Venus or something and you don't

1721
01:16:35,469 --> 01:16:33,800
care but I can actually give an example

1722
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:35,479
of a decision that where it could be

1723
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:38,449
hardest of my children did two of them

1724
01:16:42,069 --> 01:16:40,489
choose to go to religious education

1725
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:42,079
lessons now I would prefer for them not

1726
01:16:48,909 --> 01:16:45,289
to go but they they choose to go it's

1727
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:48,919
nots not between me and my wife it's

1728
01:16:53,879 --> 01:16:51,320
between us and them because we would

1729
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:53,889
prefer not to go but they choose to go

1730
01:16:59,420 --> 01:16:56,940
but I'm thinking what about

1731
01:17:01,939 --> 01:16:59,430
that we have friends where the parents

1732
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:01,949
so one of the parents is Catholic the

1733
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:04,650
other parent / is a manglik and they

1734
01:17:11,450 --> 01:17:09,210
have to choose which are a closet Ari's

1735
01:17:12,979 --> 01:17:11,460
the Religious Education New South Wales

1736
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:12,989
at least I'm not while other states

1737
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:16,170
children have handed over to the to the

1738
01:17:22,670 --> 01:17:18,210
church for her yeah for half an hour a

1739
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:22,680
week i remem yeah so so and it's a half

1740
01:17:25,729 --> 01:17:24,300
an hour of indoctrination this is not

1741
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:25,739
comparative religion this is

1742
01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:27,750
indoctrination yes yes I'm absolutely

1743
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:31,350
yeah so I'm thinking there's in some of

1744
01:17:34,459 --> 01:17:32,670
the schools there's some really bad

1745
01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:34,469
things happening for example the the nun

1746
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:38,430
who teaches at my kids school told the

1747
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:40,410
Catholic kids that anybody who's not

1748
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:42,510
Catholic is going to hell now you see

1749
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:45,060
there's a lot of these kids will have at

1750
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,770
least one parent who is not a Catholic

1751
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:49,920
who's recently now I'm going to hell so

1752
01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:53,010
that that can raise all kinds of fun of

1753
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:54,660
questions does that mean they beat each

1754
01:17:59,600 --> 01:17:57,480
other up in the schoolyard now focus

1755
01:18:04,100 --> 01:17:59,610
your mom's day final nergy thoughts

1756
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:04,110
below that of the way my kids treated is

1757
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:08,040
that they get they get lollies around

1758
01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:10,110
the Jewish holidays so that's why there

1759
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,860
you go but some time ago they actually

1760
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:16,320
two of them said that they they don't go

1761
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:18,060
anymore there was a change of teacher

1762
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:20,130
and they decided they don't want to go

1763
01:18:25,670 --> 01:18:23,460
to re lessons anymore last the why and

1764
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:25,680
they said that the re teacher said

1765
01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:28,170
stupid things the both agreed that he

1766
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:30,750
was saying stupid things so I asked them

1767
01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:33,360
what kind of stupid things that say so

1768
01:18:38,930 --> 01:18:35,540
one of them I was more scientifically

1769
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:38,940
minded and oriented I said I'll what he

1770
01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:41,010
says that the world was created 6,000

1771
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:43,620
years ago and I know that the dinosaurs

1772
01:18:48,740 --> 01:18:46,290
died 65 million years ago sir so this

1773
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,750
years and 10 year old is just fine

1774
01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:51,360
finding the creation story completely

1775
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:53,670
ridiculous as a scientific fact and the

1776
01:18:57,709 --> 01:18:55,620
other one who's less scientific minded

1777
01:19:01,160 --> 01:18:57,719
but his detector is quite some

1778
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:01,170
quite some shop said he says there's a

1779
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:10,010
oh you should be so proud brilliant can

1780
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:19,760
very good oh well look it's been a great

1781
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:22,110
thing tank but I think on that that note

1782
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:23,940
from Iran will wrap up thank you around

1783
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:25,830
from coming along thank you great to see

1784
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:27,900
thank you a Diane for being here against

1785
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:31,380
always dr. AG thanks Richard of course

1786
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,940
and Dave the heavy singer thank you for

1787
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:34,560
being so happy thank you no problem

1788
01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:37,230
thank you for making me so hot I hey so

1789
01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:41,580
cheers everybody yes and we'll hear

1790
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:43,230
you'll hear us in a couple of weeks

1791
01:19:55,390 --> 01:19:49,440
again in the think tank to take you to

1792
01:20:15,020 --> 01:19:55,400
do we can't afford a same-sex America

1793
01:20:20,010 --> 01:20:18,000
hi this is more yell boo boo from

1794
01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:20,020
smarter than that calm and smart acts

1795
01:20:23,729 --> 01:20:22,180
calm I don't know about you but I'm

1796
01:20:25,740 --> 01:20:23,739
definitely coming to the amazing meeting

1797
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:25,750
this year and following last year's

1798
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:27,640
scientific success I would love to

1799
01:20:31,770 --> 01:20:29,380
conduct a scientific experiment with

1800
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:31,780
Richard Saunders do you have any ideas

1801
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,340
of a scientific experiment we can

1802
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:35,920
conduct go to smarter than that calm /

1803
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:38,110
contact and share your idea with me

1804
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:39,580
Richard and I will pick the best

1805
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:41,290
experiment and conducted on this year's

1806
01:20:45,689 --> 01:20:44,050
tam 7 personally I can't wait to see

1807
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:45,699
what your deviously scientific minds

1808
01:20:50,670 --> 01:20:47,650
come up with I'm sure Richard will be

1809
01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:50,680
happy to do anything you ask okay not

1810
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:53,230
anything almost anything okay okay maybe

1811
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:55,300
not almost anything either but you

1812
01:20:59,280 --> 01:20:56,890
should still send your ideas to me I'll

1813
01:21:17,650 --> 01:20:59,290
read them I promise so I'll see you at

1814
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:20,230
yeah Richard I feel better already you

1815
01:21:23,290 --> 01:21:21,650
know before the beginning of a show you

1816
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,300
were saying how you bit stressed out one

1817
01:21:27,220 --> 01:21:25,280
problems yeah now you've just heard the

1818
01:21:29,980 --> 01:21:27,230
whole skeptic zone I don't care anymore

1819
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:29,990
you look peaceful ah all i care about is

1820
01:21:33,970 --> 01:21:32,210
just how wonderful the skeptic zone is

1821
01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:33,980
and how fabulous all the people are

1822
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:44,110
reach it I was talking about everybody

1823
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:46,910
else myself excluded of course thank you

1824
01:21:51,070 --> 01:21:49,190
very little me humble little year thank

1825
01:21:52,660 --> 01:21:51,080
you very much ever now before we go let

1826
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:52,670
me just make a little plug for the

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01:22:01,000 --> 01:21:58,850
seen a sneak preview of em it's a bumper

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issue it's a great issue Oh lots of

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stuff in there all sorts of things the

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uhmm good one and another little plea if

1835
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anybody out there really enjoys the

1836
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skeptics own and I'm sure you all do we

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do actually rely a little bit on your

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1840
01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:29,180
will sincerely appreciate your donation

1841
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yes I mean just then I had to replace

1842
01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:32,630
the batteries on this audio recorder you

1843
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,700
did that was about three bucks ah the

1844
01:22:38,050 --> 01:22:36,560
anger yeah we all we need all the help

1845
01:22:40,570 --> 01:22:38,060
we can get in the petrol money I intend

1846
01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:40,580
to come to your studio ah and well and

1847
01:22:44,050 --> 01:22:42,440
the lunch i have to give you and the hot

1848
01:22:46,930 --> 01:22:44,060
dogs after by later fondant the doctor

1849
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:46,940
AG that's right so yeah any help will be

1850
01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:49,190
great because we love doing this and we

1851
01:22:52,570 --> 01:22:50,420
love the fact that a lot of other people

1852
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:52,580
are enjoying what I listening and and

1853
01:22:56,860 --> 01:22:54,650
getting getting into all the news and

1854
01:22:58,150 --> 01:22:56,870
Stan where we're getting over 7,000

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listen there's a week on average now

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01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,810
which is nice so it's building up really

1857
01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:02,000
well that's great that's a fantastic sir

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01:23:06,970 --> 01:23:05,000
and of course if you want to chill out

1859
01:23:10,810 --> 01:23:06,980
for a little time you can go to iTunes

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and download my app video origami really

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01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:12,980
and see me folding origami you can hold

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:14,750
along with me I'm actually given to the

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01:23:18,460 --> 01:23:16,970
kiddies give it to the kids oh well done

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well I think that's about it for another

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show let's get back into it in a couple

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weeks time we will Steffen thanks

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listeners the zone continues see you

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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